Fred E. Smith

Jerome married Mrs. Eliza (..) Smith about 1865 in Missouri. Eliza was born about 1838; died on 16 Jan 1882 in Adair Co, Missouri. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Census: 1860, Rockeville, Parke Co, Indiana

Notes:

Census:
252 245
George Smith 60 M Farmer 250 New York
Sally Smith 58 F New York
Jerome Smith 21 M Farm Laborer Indiana
Oliver Smith 19 M Farm Laborer Indiana
Sarah Smith 17 F Indiana
Permelia Smith 7 F Indiana

George married Sarah "Sally" Goble in 1823 in Sullivan Co, Indiana. Sarah (daughter of James Goble and Nancy J. Pollard) was born on 10 Apr 1802 in Cayuga, New York; died after 4 Jun 1880 in Morrow, Adair Co, Missouri. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From: John R.
To: lumoto@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: Smith & Goble ancestors


Hi Sherry,


Thanks for writing with your concerns. Yes, I do not have a Josuah Smith and Hannah Bentley and believe they must be another Smith family. The links you sent me showing Josuah Smith and Hannah Bentley as the parents of Simeon Smith do not list a source. However, it appears the mistake came from the Indiana DAR Vol. I Roster of Revolutionary War Ancestors, which incorrectly copied the Smith family Bible and confused a father and son George Smith. There has been a lot of research on this family but I believe the way I have it is correct, that our Simeon Smith was the son of George Smith and Sarah Coleman, and that George Smith was the son of Josuah Smith and Hannah Denn.

There is a book from James Cash Coleman, published in 1909, that lists Simeon Smith as the son of George Smith:

James Cash Coleman, "William Coleman of Gloucester, Mass., and Gravesend, England, 1619-1906" (Goshen, New York: Press of The Independent Republican, 1906) p. 40 [George Smith named as spouse of unnamed daughter of Joseph Coleman. "A dau. who m. George Smith; she d. prior to 1791, leaving the following children: Levi, b. Sept. 1, 1773; Hannah, Nathan, Simeon, Mary and Joseph."].

If you look at the notes I have for George Smith you will read about the confusion about Joshua and Hannah Smith and their son George. It also has this:

The Smith Family bible clearly shows the Indiana DAR Vol. I Roster of Revolutionary Ancestors incorrect -- pg. 593 of it states:
SMITH, Joshua b. circa 1741 NY d. after 1792-93 NC m. 1762 Hannah d. after 1793. Service: Pvt Militia No 4477 Morgan District NC now Johnson and Sullivan Co Ten.. Children: Abner m. Mary b. 1785 d. 1850 Johnson Co Tenn; Hannah b 24 Dec 1763; George b. 10 Sept 1766; Nathan b. 27 June 1767; Joshua b 10 May 1769; Levi b. 1 Sept 1772; Simeon b. 10 May 1773 m. 22 Sept 1794 Hester Helms; Mary b 6 May 1776 m. a DeHaven; Joseph b. 12 March 1779; Sevier b. 26 Sept 1783; Sarah b 1 Oct 1788; Bezaleel b. 26 Dec 1790; Paul b 2 March 1793. Descendant: Clark, Ina Mae (Mrs. Lionel) No. 551357 ----- our ancestor GEORGE is the FATHER to these children -- Hannah & Joshua are the grandparents!!!!!! What a mess!

And there is this:


In an Email from Karen Zuck on 24 Oct 2008 she wrote that discovering George Smith's parents was quite a feat. "In the Vigo County Public Library I saw when I first started an old bible and I copied down (they wouldn't let me xerox) the information. Was first starting and it was VERY hard to read. I wrote that George was the father but it was VERY confusing as to whether Joshua was (it read very much like that) or George was. The librarian told me the DAR had copied it. They had that George was the father. The genealogy group copied it before they burned it (yes, they did -- along with several others a few years later) and they had George as the father. Well, then I was perplexed. I researched for all three, Simeon, George and Joseph for YEARS - then found the will that had her children (which matched the bible very closely).

"Here are my "notes" from George if it helps. Many didn't know he'd been married before. This kind of all started as MANY in Parke County are in DAR via Simeon's brother George Smith NOT the father, but I found the father was also in the war (see below). It took a lot of doing on one of my cousin's part but the two George's are NOW separated and who belongs to whom is a-okay now. WHEW
Smith Family Bible - filmed by DAR Esterbrook Chapter, Rockville Public Library
George Smith s/o Joshua & Hannah
George Smith b. 10 Sept 1766 (this Geo & Hannah are children, not George, the s/o of Hannah)
Hannah Smith b. 24 Dec 1765
Nathan Smith b. 27 June 1767
Joshua Smith 10 May 1769
Levi Smith b. 1 Sept 1772
SIMEON SMITH ( OURS) b. 10 May 1773
Mary Smith b. 6 May 1776
Joseph Smith b. 12 March 1779 (believe that this is all the children with Sarah Coleman and that she probably died in childbirth with this Joseph) -- he marr. Mary "Mollie" Tyler March 1781 and he died according to her pension papers March 1803 when his youngest child was but 10)

"Abner Smith b. 8 Feb 1782
Sevier Smith b. 26 Sept 1783
George Smith b. 24 July 1785
Sarah Smith b. 1 Oct 1788
Bezaleel Smith b. 26 Dec 1790
Paul Smith b. 2 March 1793"

Hope this helps answer your concerns. The Smith family Bible has the correct lineage and the Indiana DAR incorrectly listed the children of George Smith as the children of Joshua and Hannah, the grandparents.

John


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From: lumoto@aol.com
To: acalrunner@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Smith & Goble ancestors
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 00:00:13 -0500


Hey, John.
Well, I just started looking at this, and already have a question.
I did not have George Smith and Sarah Coleman; so I created a second set of parents for Simeon.

I looked in your file for Joshua Smith and Hannah Bentley, and did not find them. I'm assuming the other researcher wasn't that far off that she tapped into a completely different Smith family; so do you have any idea how Joshua fits in?

Well, hold on -- I went back to rootsweb to find the tree I had used before. I think this is it - it's the same person, McKim:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2085324&id=I103354027

You also might want to look at the search results, because there are 24 trees there and they all have his parents as Joshua and Hannah Bentley - none have George Smith and Sarah Coleman.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?surname=smith&given=simeon&stype=Soundex&byear=1773&start=21

Could maybe your source be off?

For now I have Simeon with two sets of parents. It looks like your file comes forward in time and there is no other mention other than in Generation 1, saying he is son of.... but like I said, I just got started.

Thanks!
Sherry



Died:
SIMEON SMITH was born in New York, probably in Goshen, Orange County, on May 10, 1773, the son of GEORGE SMITH (1744-1803) and his wife SARAH COLEMAN (c1745-1779). Simeon was in Seneca, Ontario County, New York in the 1800 and 1810 U.S. census. By 1818 Simeon and his family had moved to Sullivan County, Indiana and were there for the 1820 U.S. census. He was in Rockville, Parke, Indiana by 1830 and resided there the remainder of his life. Simeon Smith died on February 26, 1851 in Rockville, Parke County, Indiana.

Simeon married HESTER HELMS on September 22, 1794 in Cayuga County, New York, daughter of JACOB HELM (1737-1845) and HELENA VAN ETTEN (1738-____). Hester was born on February 22, 1778 and baptized on June 23, 1778 in the Minisink-Machackemec Church in Deerpark, Orange County, New York. She died on March 13, 1832 in Rockville, Parke County, Indiana. She is buried in the Rockville Cemetery.

According to their family Bible (found in the Terre Haute, Indiana library) their children were: Jehial b Jun 10, 1797; George C b. March 3, 1800; Mary b. Feb 4, 1803; Eliza b. Sept 17, 1805; Permelia b. June 5, 1807; Simeon Jr b. April 14, 1811; Levi b. April 6, 1813; Reuben D b. Aug 1, 1815; Joseph C. b. Aug 1, 1818 and Margaret Ann b. March 15, 1825.

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Simeon married Hester Helms on 12 Sep 1794 in Cayuga, New York. Hester (daughter of Jacob Helms and Helena Van Etten) was born on 23 Feb 1775 in Orange (Cayuga Co) Co, New York; was christened on 23 Jun 1778 in Minisink-Machachemec Reformed Dutch Church, Deerpark, Orange Co, New York; died on 12 Mar 1832 in Rockville, Parke Co, Indiana; was buried in Rockville Cem, Rockville, Parke Co, Indiana. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

HESTER HELMS was born on February 22, 1778 and baptized on June 23, 1778 in the Minisink-Machachemec Reformed Dutch Church in Deerpark, Orange County, New York, the daughter of JACOB HELMS (1737-1845) and his wife HELENA VAN ETTEN (1738-aft 1785).

Hester married SIMEON SMITH on September 22, 1794 in Cayuga County, New York, the son of GEORGE SMITH (1744-1803) and his wife SARAH COLEMAN (c1745-1779). Simeon was born on May 10, 1773 in New York, probably in Orange County, and died on February 26, 1851 in Rockville, Parke County, Indiana. He is buried in the Rockville cemetery.

Children of HESTER HELMS and SIMEON SMITH are:

i. JEHIAL SMITH, b. January 10, 1797, New York; d. 1883, Farmington, Van Buren County, Iowa.

ii. SARAH SMITH, b. February 23, 1799; d. Bef. 1810, Ontario County, New York.

iii. GEORGE COLEMAN SMITH, b. March 5, 1800, Ontario County, New York; d. Aft. June 4, 1880, Adair County, Missouri; m. SARAH "SALLY" GOBLE, 1823, Sullivan County, Indiana; b. April 30, 1802, Cayuga County, New York; d. Aft. June 4, 1880, probably Adair County, Missouri.

iv. LEAH MARY SMITH, b. February 4, 1803, of Ontario County, New York.

v. ELIZA SMITH, b. February 17, 1805, of Ontario County, New York.

vi. PERMELIA SMITH, b. June 5, 1807, of Ontario County, New York.

vii. SIMEON SMITH, b. April 17, 1811, of Ontario County, New York; d. January 26, 1899, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; m. MARY POLLY RINKER, December 27, 1832, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; b. Abt. 1812, Indiana; d. May 13, 1892, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana.

viii. LEVI SMITH, b. April 6, 1813, of Ontario County, New York; d. 1864.

ix. REUBEN D. SMITH, b. August 1, 1815, of Ontario County, New York; d. July 31, 1898, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; m. ELIZABETH PAINTER, April 20, 1854, Parke County, Indiana; b. Abt. 1815, Kentucky.

x. JOSEPH COLEMAN SMITH, b. July 13, 1818, Carlisle, Sullivan County, Indiana; d. November 11, 1906, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; m. SUSAN MELIK EGBERT, November 2, 1850, Indiana; b. Abt. 1825, New York.

xi. MARGARET ANN SMITH, b. March 15, 1825, of Parke County, Indiana; m. JOHN L. BEAUCHAMP, March 24, 1853, Parke County, Indiana.
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James married Nancy J. Pollard on 16 Oct 1791 in Cayuga, New York. Nancy was born about 1780; died after 1802. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]