Avice Timmons

Aubrey married Daisy Shelton on 19 Nov 1908. Daisy (daughter of Winfield Scott Shelton, (Y-DNA source-John sh-62) and Annie Skidmore McMullin) was born on 25 Aug 1880 in Webster Co, Kentucky; died on 25 Aug 1961 in Orange, Orange Co, California . [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Census: 1860, P.O. Wisemill, Webster Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1870, Webster Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1880, Sebree, Webster Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1900, Sebree, Webster Co, Kentucky

Notes:

Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
jeanvonet
Posted: 27 Oct 2012 2:35PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Shelton, Willoughby

Joseph Z Shelton was Lucinda's brother, and my great, great, uncle or foster great great grandfather as he raised my great grandfather, Winfield Scott Shelton. Winfield has a brother
Albert Shelton, that was also Lucinda's child but the father's are different from DNA tests.

Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
1southerner (View posts) Posted: 11 Nov 2012 4:57PM
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Winfield and Albert you say had different fathers, who was Albert's source for the test? I believe Donna
Shelton's father Johnny Shelton was the DNA source for Winfield. (donnashelton1938 ancestry board)

Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
jeanvonet (View posts) Posted: 11 Nov 2012 6:28PM
Classification: Query
Surnames: Shelton

John Shelton was Winfield Scott Shelton's source for DNA
This is correct

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=18253&p=localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.webster


Census:
201 Shelton Josiah C 61 1799 North Carolina
201 Shelton Elizabeth 59 1801 North Carolina
201 Shelton Albert 16 1844 Kentucky
201 Shelton John 14 1846 Kentucky
201 Shelton Pinkey 35 1825 North Carolina

210 Joseph Z Shelton 24 1836
210 Sarah J Shelton 23 1837
210 Sarah E Shelton 1 1859
210 Winfield S Shelton 8 1852 KY (nephew, son of Lucinda)


Census:
District 1, Webster, Kentucky
Post Office: Poolmill and Sebree
Joseph Shelton 34 North Carolina
Catherine Shelton 32 North Carolina
Mary Shelton 12
Green Shelton 6
W S Shelton 19


Census:
J. Z. Shelton 43
Catherinan Shelton 41
Quinn T. Shelton 17 daughter
D. H. Gates 42 (cousin)
Scott Shelton 27 (nephew)


Census:
Winfield S Shelton 48 married 24 yrs KY KY KY
Annie S Shelton 41 10 births 9 living KY KY KY
Velmer Shelton 21 KY
Daisy Shelton 19 KY
Dillian Shelton 14 KY
Jay Z Shelton 10 KY
Joy Shelton 7 KY
Duhward B Shelton 4 KY
Beatrice Shelton 1 Ky

Winfield married Annie Skidmore McMullin on 22 Nov 1875 in Webster Co, Kentucky. Annie was born on 18 Nov 1857 in Kentucky; died on 7 Mar 1947 in Webster Co, Kentucky. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Census: 1850, District 2, Henderson Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1860, Webster Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1870, Webster Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1880, Bordley, Union Co, Kentucky
• Research Notes: 28 Feb 2013; Y-DNA step 2 match

Notes:

Census:
-381 Shelton Josiah C 54 1796 North Carolina
381 Shelton Elizabeth (Orran) 49 1801 North Carolina
381 Shelton Pinckney 26 1824 North Carolina
381 Shelton Martha 21 1829 North Carolina
381 Shelton Mary 19 1831 North Carolina
-381 Shelton Lucinda 17 1833 North Carolina
381 Shelton Joseph 14 1836 North Carolina
381 Shelton Eliza 12 1838 Kentucky
pg 51
381 Shelton Amy 10 1840 Kentucky
381 Shelton Albert 6 1844 Kentucky
381 Shelton John 4 1846 Kentucky

304 Hankins Barney L 26 1824 Kentucky
304 Hankins Agnes (Shelton) 21 1829 Kentucky
304 Hankins Martha 4 1846 Kentucky

305 Oglesby Stephen 30 1820 Kentucky
305 Oglesby Gustavus 21 1829 Kentucky

(NOTE: this is to help support the theory that Gustavus is the father of Winfield who was born Dec 1851, showing that Gus and Lucinda were in the same location, living in the same community. Gus is living with his brother next door to her sister. By 1860, he is married to another sister, Mary Elizabeth, and Lucinda is not listed in the census; however Winfield is being cared for by his uncle, Joseph Z.)


Census:
1860 Webster Co, Kentucky
-293 Oglesby Stephen D 44 1816 Kentucky
293 Oglesby Louisa (Knight) 31 1829 Kentucky
293 Oglesby Nancy C 9 1851 Kentucky
293 Oglesby Franklin P 6 1854 Kentucky
293 Oglesby Sarah 4 1856 Kentucky
293 Oglesby Matison W 1 1859 Kentucky
-293 Oglesby Elvira 17 1843 Kentucky (niece)

related to Ure Marks 1818 w/o Wm Grayson
294 Marks William 25 1835 Kentucky
294 Marks Lucinda 18 1842 Kentucky
294 Marks Elizabeth F 1 1859 Kentucky

-295 Sparks Noah 42 1818 North Carolina
295 Sparks Lucinda (Newton) 36 1824 Missouri
295 Sparks Pleasant 17 1843 Kentucky
295 Sparks William 12 1848 Kentucky
295 Sparks Martha J 3 1857 Kentucky
295 Sparks Jo 1 1859 Kentucky
(son of Noah; sis. mary Ann m Woods

-Shelton Hambleton 37 1823 North Carolina
299 Shelton Rosanah (Grayson) 34 1826 Kentucky
299 Shelton Francis J 12 1848 Kentucky
299 Shelton Letice J 10 1850 Kentucky
299 Shelton Elijah D 9 1851 Kentucky
299 Shelton Andrew J 7 1853 Kentucky
299 Shelton Elizabeth A 5 1855 Kentucky
299 Shelton Marshal O 3 1857 Kentucky
299 Shelton Charles D 4/12 1860 Kentucky

widower of Minerva Shelton (d/o Josiah Cyrus)
-301 Melton E E (Elisha E.) 38 1822 Male Kentucky
301 Melton Elijah A 16 1844 Kentucky
301 Melton William W 14 1846 Kentucky
301 Melton John W 12 1848 Kentucky
301 Melton Louisa J 10 1850 Kentucky
301 Melton Emily F 6 1854 Kentucky
301 Melton Josiah T 3 1857 Kentucky
301 Melton George W 17 1843 Kentucky

303 Oglesby G A 30 (Gustavus) 1830 male Kentucky
303 Oglesby Mary E (Shelton d/o Josiah Cyrus) 27 1833 North Carolina
303 Oglesby Josiah 7 1853 Kentucky
303 Oglesby Margaret A 4 1856 Kentucky
303 Oglesby Nancy R 2 1858 Kentucky

-305 Melton R A (Reuben Anderson) 38 1822 male Kentucky
305 Melton Sarah A (Shelton d/o Josiah Cyrus) 33 1827 North Carolina
305 Melton John W 17 1843 Kentucky
305 Melton Floyd C 15 1845 Kentucky
305 Melton Mary E 13 1847 Kentucky
305 Melton Janes W 12 1848 Kentucky
305 Melton David J 10 1850 Kentucky
305 Melton Louisa C 8 1852 Kentucky
305 Melton Larkin W 6 1854 Kentucky
305 Melton Jessee J 2 1858 Kentucky
305 Melton Jo 5/12 1860 Kentucky


Census:
1870 Webster Co, Kentucky
22 Melton Andrew 52 1818 Kentucky
22 Melton Sarah (Shelton) 43 1827 North Carolina
22 Melton David 20 1850 Kentucky
22 Melton Larkin 15 1855 male Kentucky
22 Melton Louisa 17 1853 Kentucky
22 Melton Jesse 11 1859 male Kentucky
22 Melton Lewis 9 1861 Kentucky
22 Melton Thomas 7 1863 Kentucky
22 Melton Lee 5 1865 male Kentucky
22 Melton Sarah 4 1866 Kentucky
22 Melton Reubum 4 1866 Kentucky

Sarah & Mary sisters
23 Oglesby P A (Gustavus) 40 1830 male Kentucky
23 Oglesby Mary (Shelton) 38 1832 North Carolina
23 Oglesby Josiah 17 1853 Kentucky
23 Oglesby Margaret 15 1855 Kentucky
23 Oglesby Nancy 12 1858 Kentucky
23 Oglesby Isabell 10 1860 Kentucky
23 Oglesby Charles 8 1862 Kentucky
23 Oglesby David 2 1868 Kentucky

Census:
Gustavus Oglesby 51 Kentucky South Carolina South Carolina
Mary Oglesby 49 North Carolina North Carolina North Carolina
Margaret Oglesby 24 Kentucky
Nancy Oglesby 22
Charles Oglesby 17
David Oglesby 13
Andrew Oglesby 11
Floyd Oglesby 3
David Joyner 42 works on farm Kentucky North Carolina Tennessee


Research Notes:
In 2009 when John had his YDNA test the results came back as match to a Shelton in Y37 and Y67 tests. No common denominator was found.
On Feb 27, 2013, a tester in the Oglesby group was a match to him in the Y37, with a step 2 match. As it turned out, in the Shelton gedcom there was a marriage of Mary Elizabeth to Gustavas Adolphus Oglesby. Checking the tester's pedigree, his ancestor Jesse Oglesby and Gustavas descend from Constant, Sr., Jesse and Constant being brothers; making Jesse the great-uncle of Gustavas.
Following the pedigree of the Shelton tester, his ancestor was Winfield Scott Shelton who carried the maiden name of his unwed mother, Lucinda. Lucinda was sister to Mary Elizabeth who married Gustavus 1 year after Winfield Scott was married.
Gustavus was in Henderson County in the 1850 census in the same extended family community as Lucinda who was still at home with her parents. He was living with his brother Stephen and they were next door to one of Lucinda's older sisters who was already married.
The name Winfield Scott was a well-known general of the time, and as was the custom, it was popular to name their children after public personalities. The name Winfield Scott was used by at least two or three more Oglesby siblings; so it was a name they liked to use. The Sheltons did not use the name, just another hint that an Oglesby was influential in the choosing of the name.
Lucinda later had a son Albert, who, as I understand, was DNA tested and was not a match to Winfield. The Shelton tester did not match any Sheltons because that was the maternal line. He matched the Oglesby line.
It's quite obvious that Winfield's father was an Oglesby; and it's more likely than not that the father was Gustavus as his brothers were not so likely a candidate. Since he married a year later and started his own family with Lucinda's sister, it's doubtful that Lucinda's following children were fathered by him. The girls may or may not have the same father as Albert.

Gustavus married Lucinda Shelton(maybe father, not married). Lucinda (daughter of Josiah Cyrus Shelton and Mary Elizabeth "Betty" Orran) was born in 1833 in Rockingham Co, North Carolina; died before 1903 in Webster Co, Kentucky. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Census: 1850, Henderson Co (later Webster Co), Kentucky
• Property: 1868, Webster Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1870, Webster Co, Kentucky
• Census: 1880, Webster Co, Kentucky

Notes:

http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=18253&p=localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.webster

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Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
jeanvonet (View posts) Posted: 21 Mar 2011 12:58AM GMT
Classification: Query
Surnames: Shelton,


Lucinda's best kept secret...who was the father of her children? Where is she buried? Lucinda is born April 17, 1834 in North Carolina.
Her first child, Winfield Scott Shelton is born Dec 7, 1851 Born in Ky.
Her second child was born between 1852 and 1855...she died between 1862 and 1865
Her third child is Sarah Ellen is born Dec 30, 1856
Her fourth child is Agnes is born May 19, 1858
Her fifth child Albert V is born Nov 14, 1862

In 1850 census of Henderson County(Webster Co.,KY not formed yet)
Lucinda is with her family (Josiah Cyrus Shelton and Elizabeth Oran Shelton) and is listed as 17

In 1860 (will have to look up again, I believe she is listed as Sinthy Shelton in Census) living with her son Albert V Shelton. Wonder what the V is for. I will look up and confirm

In 1868 she inherited from her father, Josiah Cyrus Shelton, land in Webster County Deed 4 page 380 , 16 acres on Knoblick Road and sold it to her brother John Shelton

In 1870, she is listed in Webster County census
326/322
Lucinda 36 - 100 NC
Sarah E. 12 KY
Agnes 10 KY
Albert V. 7 KY

In 1880, she is listed in Webster County census
Sinthy 45 NC NC NC
Aggy 20 KY KY KY.......her father and mother are born in Kentucky?
g-s Joseph Finley Shelton KY KY KY

Her son Albert V (1880 census)
is living with the Frasier Family. He is born in KY.....father born____ and mother in Kentucky
Fraiser, James A 23 KY KY KY
Judiethleth 25 KY NC KY
Sarah L 3 KY KY KY
Rosette 1 KY KY KY

Sarah E has married to Berry Yates at the age of 14. 1880 census
Yates, Berry 36 KY KY KY
Sarah E 21 KY Ky Ky...her father and mother are born in Kentucky
David W 7 KY KY KY
Dora E 3 KY KY KY

In 1880, Winfield Scott Shelton is married to Annie McMullin
He is listed as born in KY father born_____ mother in NC
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
1southerner (View posts) Posted: 22 Apr 2011 10:26PM GMT
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We know that Sarah Ellen and Aggy's mother Lucinda and probably their father, depending on what you surmise, were born in North Carolina not Kentucky. I notice the census' have different and sometimes incorrect informaion The best kept secret is still a secret. It makes one wonder what was there about her that it appears that neither children nor grandchildren verbally passed on or had written down her death and burial. Many of her siblings are buried in different cemeteries around there I have visited them. I have been to the Shelton Cemetery where her parents are buried. Albert lived to be quite old but apparently he left no records either so the mystery goes on, something strange here.
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
jeanvonet (View posts) Posted: 25 Apr 2011 9:38PM GMT
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Surnames: Shelton, Oran

In the Book I transcribed of John Shelton, Lucinda's baby brother...he says their parents Josiah Cyrus and Mary Elizabeth Oran Shelton is buried in Mt. Lebanon Cemetery outside Sebree going toward Dixon
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
1southerner (View posts) Posted: 26 Apr 2011 2:41AM GMT
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Hi Vonette, some of Lucinda's siblings are buried in Mt. Lebanon but I have seen postings on Ancestry etc. that they are buried in Shelton Cemetery on Shelton Cemetery Road, David and I went out there this past summer and Doug Shelton lives there on the property, he said George Washington Shelton gave that property for the cemetery, he was not exactly aware of who was there but a lot of Sheltons are buried there. Guess you and I can do more research. We also went to Petersburg church cemetery few miles out of Sebree and Joe Z Shelton and wife are buried there, I posted a pic on Tina's site. However, I don't know where everyone went on that site etc. not much response. It appears the genealogy searches has somewhat disappeared. Thanks for the query post, always open for new or corrected info. Keep in touch
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
Martha_HardcastleGuthrie (View posts) Posted: 24 Oct 2011 1:05AM GMT
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I am particularly interested in Lucinda's daughter Agnes. She married my ggrandfather, Atwood Willoughby. I have no idea what happened to my ggrandmother, Atwood's first wife Mahulda "Huldy" Patterson. They had four children, three girls and a boy who apparently did not live to adulthood. They were living in Union County KY in 1880.
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
donnashelton1938 (View posts) Posted: 27 Oct 2012 6:32AM GMT
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Regarding Lucinda's daughter Agnes.. She is in my family tree and had two children, Joseph Finley Shelton and Lula V. Shelton. These children carried the Shelton name, and I don't know who was their father. She also had a daughter, Isabelle with Atwood T. Willoughby.
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
jeanvonet (View posts) Posted: 27 Oct 2012 8:35PM GMT
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Surnames: Shelton, Willoughby

Atwood T Willoughby died at Western State insane asylum
March 25 1911 and I assume is buried there. Joseph Z Shelton was Lucinda's brother, and my great, great, uncle
or foster great great grandfather as he raised my great grandfather, Winfield Scott Shelton. Winfield has a brother
Albert Shelton, that was also Lucinda's child but the father's are different from DNA tests. Lucinda's brother and sisters are buried at both Mt Labanon and the Shelton
Cemetery....her father is buried at Mt Labanon Cemetery according to his son John Shelton that wrote a handwritten genealogy of his family and I transcribed in a book. Ask me on each separate brother and sister of Lucinda's and I will furnish the date of death and where. euglenagail@aol.com
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
jeanvonet (View posts) Posted: 27 Oct 2012 8:41PM GMT
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You are correct. The father's idenity is unknown and I wonder if maybe all the children had different father's.
We know Winfield Scott Shelton and Albert Shelton had
different father's as the DNA proves this....but with girls
I don't know to date how that is proved.
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
1southerner (View posts) Posted: 11 Nov 2012 10:57PM GMT
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Winfield and Albert you say had different fathers, who was Albert's source for the test? I believe Donna
Shelton's father Johnny Shelton was the DNA source for Winfield.
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Re: Lucinda Shelton, her best kept secret
jeanvonet (View posts) Posted: 12 Nov 2012 12:28AM GMT
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Surnames: Shelton

John Shelton was Winfield Scott Shelton's source for DNA
This is correct

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The Magellan Project
General Winfield Scott:
http://magellanproject.wordpress.com/2008/02/21/general-winfield-scott/
(had a daughter Cornelia; first son John Baker Scott b 1816

comments:
on October 27, 2012 at 6:43 am
Reply Donna Shelton
My gr gr grandmother, Lucinda Shelton supposedly had an affair with General Winfield Scott (resulting in my gr grandfather Winfield Scott Shelton and others). One of Lucinda's children (from this affair?) was named Cordelia. Coincidence? I wonder. Cordelia only lived to the age of 10.

Donna

(~ss this is not likely. Winfield Scott b 1786, Lucinda b 1833. It's more likely he was referred in that time and as was the custom of many to name children after politicians and other high-profile public figures. In 1852 he was nominee for Whigs for presidential election against Franklin Pierce. If there's anything to the following comment and his daughter married an Oglesby, there was a family connection. He was
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on December 31, 2012 at 12:20 am |
Reply Karen Oglesby
My father passed 5 years ago. He always told me that one of General Winfield Scott's daughters married an Oglesby. I found a bird in the Texas birding book today named after him ?Scott?s Oriole?. This prompted my Internet search today. My father was Howard Scott Oglesby. His family was from Pennsylvania and we lived in Jacksonville,FL. Has anyone ever come across the Oglesby name?

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Census:
-381 Shelton Josiah C 54 1796 North Carolina
381 Shelton Elizabeth (Orran) 49 1801 North Carolina
381 Shelton Pinckney 26 1824 North Carolina
381 Shelton Martha 21 1829 North Carolina
381 Shelton Mary 19 1831 North Carolina
-381 Shelton Lucinda 17 1833 North Carolina
381 Shelton Joseph 14 1836 North Carolina
381 Shelton Eliza 12 1838 Kentucky
pg 51
381 Shelton Amy 10 1840 Kentucky
381 Shelton Albert 6 1844 Kentucky
381 Shelton John 4 1846 Kentucky

304 Hankins Barney L 26 1824 Kentucky
304 Hankins Agnes (Shelton) 21 1829 Kentucky
304 Hankins Martha 4 1846 Kentucky

305 Oglesby Stephen 30 1820 Kentucky
305 Oglesby Gustavus 21 1829 Kentucky

(NOTE: this is to help support the theory that Gustavus is the father of Winfield who was born Dec 1851, showing that Gus and Lucinda were in the same location, living in the same community. Gus is living with his brother next door to her sister. By 1860, he is married to another sister, Mary Elizabeth, and Lucinda is not listed in the census; however Winfield is being cared for by his uncle, Joseph Z.)


Property:
In 1868 she inherited from her father, Josiah Cyrus Shelton, land in Webster County Deed 4 page 380 , 16 acres on Knoblick Road and sold it to her brother John Shelton


Census:
1870 District 2, Webster Co, Kentucky
315 Fraser, Michael 52 minister Kentucky
315 Sarah A. (Todd) 42 Kentucky
315 Benjamin F. 19 Kentucky
315 James A. 13 Kentucky
315 David L. 9 Kentucky (later m Nancy Oglesby)
315 William H. 7 Kentucky
315 Sarah J. 4 Kentucky
315 Noah S. 2 Kentukcy
314 Jessie H. 1 Kentucky

316 Fraser, John T. 22 Kentucky
316 Sidna A. 18 Kentucky
316 Sarah J. 3 Kentucky
316 John E. 1 Kentucky

321 Lucinda Shelton 36 1834 NC $100
321 Sarah E Shelton 12 Kentucky
321 Agnes Shelton 10 Kentucky
321 Albert V Shelton 7 Kentucky

322 Yates, John M. 46 North Carolina 1824
322 Sarah M. 30 Kentucky 1840
322 Minerva J 20 Kentucky
322 Mary S 17 Kentucky
322 George W 15 Kentucky
322 William B. 11 Kentucky
322 Ellis U. 7 Kentucky
322 Elizabeth A. 4 Kentucky
322 Stone, Alexander (A.Barrett) 13 Kentucky (s/o John Squire Stone & Eleanor Gibson)
322 Payne, Mahaley 32 Kentucky
322 Payne James R. 14 Kentucky
322 Payne, Elizabeth 10 Kentucky
(William Hill boarder in 1860, age 15 (1845 - s/o Elias/Ellis Hill & Elizabeth Shelton, d/o Josiah Shelton)
323 Stone, John C. 60 Kentucky
323 Elizabeth 60 Kentucky
323 Levi J. 20 Kentucky
323 Sarah A. 20 Kentucky
323 George W. Payne 15 Kentucky

325 Wilson, Levi 36 Kentucky
325 Dorcas A. 84 Kentucky
325 Wilson Stephen A. 8 Kentucky
325 John T. 6 Kentucky
325 Sarah 64 Kentucky

329 Stone, Philip J. 27 Kentucky
329 Francis 26 Kentucky
329 William J. 3 Kentucky
329 Nancy E. Kentucky
329 Mary E. 1 Kentucky

330 Grisham, William R. 56 Indiana
330 Mary 46 Kentucky
330 Joseph 20 Kentucky
330 Permelia A. 17 Kentucky
330 Peter 16 Kentucky
330 William A. 15 Kentucky
330 Mary 14 Kentucky
330 James L. 13 Kentucky
330 Jefferson 11 Kentucky
330 Robert 9 Kentucky
330 Anellie (?) 3 Kentucky (female)

331 Yates Essey 60 1810 North Carolina
331 Yates Elender 40 1830 Mississippi
331 Yates Berry M 24 1846 Kentucky (Future husb of Sarah Shelton)
331 Yates Permela J 20 1850 Kentucky
331 Yates Elizah 19 1851 Kentucky
331 Yates George W 17 1853 Kentucky
331 Yates Catharine 15 1855 Kentucky
331 Yates Nancy 13 1857 Kentucky
331 Yates William 10 1860 Kentucky
331 Yates Mary E 8 1862 Kentucky
331 Yates Tabitha 5 1865 Kentucky
331 Yates Benjamin F 2 1868 Kentucky


Census:
1860 Petersburg, Webster Co, KY
Shelton Sindey 45 single NC NC NC
Aggy 20 1860 single daughter KY NC NC
Joseph F. (Finley) Shelton 7 mos (grandson) KY KY KY