| 4. | John Wesley Brown, (1/2 Choctaw or Cherokee?) was born in 1881 (son of William Brown and Mrs. (1st wife) Brown). Other Events and Attributes:
- Research Notes: 25 Aug 2015
Notes:
from email thread between Ruthie and Kathryn Nipper Hose, supplied to me by Ruthie:
Ruthie stated: "Grover's family thinks that Ggrandpa Brown had the first there children and then had Grover by another woman. Don't think so (no proof) of that."
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In same thread Kathryn shared the following regarding the Dawes Rolls:
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Another thing I have researched are the Dawes Rolls. These rolls are a combination of Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole Indians. Here is the information I pulled off the website: I bolded and underlined a couple of important facts.
The Rolls list the individual's name, age, sex, blood degree, census card number and page, enrollment number, and tribe.
In most cases the ages indicated on the rolls are the age of individuals around 1902. Those listed as "newborns" and "minors" were born after the initial enrollment began in 1898, but before March of 1907.
Tribal association will be listed as "By Blood," "Intermarriage," or "Freedmen." Intermarriage indicates the person was married to a citizen of the tribe. You may also see the letters "I W" for Intermarried White. Freedmen were the former slaves of the Five Civilized Tribes and their descendants. The rolls were active between 1898 and 1906.
Officially known as The Final Rolls of the Citizens and Freedmen of the Five Civilized Tribes in Indian Territory, the Dawes Rolls list individuals who chose to enroll and were approved for membership in the Five Civilized Tribes (Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole.)
Enrollment for the Dawes Rolls began in 1898 and ended in 1906.
Basic information includes the name of a person who was alive and living in the Indian Territory during the enrollment period. If the individual was a married woman, you should look for her under her married name.
Look for your ancestor on the 1900 U.S. Census. If your ancestor did not live in Indian Territory, it is extremely unlikely they will be on the rolls. If they were living in Indian Territory check the available lists for rejected Dawes applications. Consider the possibility your ancestor belonged to another tribe or preferred not to be recognized as Indian.
I have found a Wesley, Martha, Bertha, and Gertrude on the rolls but the information is limited so I have contacted the Oklahoma Historical Research to get more information on how we can validate that these are our relatives. I'm thinking that they will be the only ones on the rolls (The younger siblings will most likely not be on the rolls if they were born after 1906). I will find out how this works once I get more information from the Oklahoma Historical Research organization.
Note: per Katheryn Nipper's research it appears these Brown names are listed on the Dawes Rolls: Wesley, Martha, Bertha and Gertrude.
(at this time unk who Martha and Gertrude are 6/21/2015 ~ss)
Research Notes:
After tracking Bertha O. Brown McCoy in 1900, 1910, and 1920, who was said aunt of John Wesley Brown's children by Carrie Holdridge, it is more than reasonable to believe that John Wesley Brown was a brother by William Brown, Bertha's father, and his 1st wife. Because he was born apparently in 1881, there will be no census record of him. By the time William shows up in 1900, John Wesley would have been married and out. So, it will be difficult to prove on paper. Perhaps something else will show up or maybe DNA, but for not it's the weight of the evidence. All the dates and places fit. Just to make note, also, one of William's son's even named a daughter Carry, perhaps after his half brother John Wesley's wife, Carrie Holdridge, who was his aunt.
I had believed maybe John Wesley and John M. (or W=Wesley) of Kentucky were possibly the same. Benjamin, known son of Gosney (1st wife) lists his father as John W. a widow in 1910.
In 1900 there were Brown "orphans" listed, all living with family members connected to the Gosney family:
son Rutherford, age 24, still single, is boarding with Jasper Daniel & Family - Jasper Daniel 1st cousin to Wm Therkeld Daniel
son Benjamin Brown age 22 is boarding with America Jane Orcutt Anderson, widow - he later m America's dau, Mary Lucy; after Ben died, she married Rutherford - but point being - Ben, too, was "displaced" in 1900.
John C. Brown age 16 (Dec 1884)- in 1900 living with William Therkeld Daniel & wife Dora Clemans.
(Wm Daniel is brother of Henry Daniel whose son-in-law was John C. Gosney, brother of Eliza Gosney Brown)
Mary V. Brown age 10 (1890) in 1900 with Jonathan Clemans (Jonathan Clemans was father of Dora Clemans
I believe John C and Mary V are likely other children of John M (or W-Wesley) and Eliza Gosney.
No record of John M. (W-Wesley) then from 1890 till 1910 when he shows up again as a widower living with son Ben Franklin in KY. Thought was could he have been in Arkansas having 2nd family with Carrie Elizabeth Holdridge?
In 1910 Ben Franklin Brown has in his h/h John W, his father; and a cousin Chester Brown age 12 (1898)
However, one thing to note is Grover Cleveland "Cleave" Brown was born in Nov 1910. Date of the 1910 census that he is with his son Ben Franklin is Apr 1910. SO, did he leave Carrie? She would have been 2 MOS pg. I've seen many times they say widowed when their spouses are still living; but this is noteworthy in deciding if the two Johns are the same.
And then John W is married again in 1920 to a Sarah K., living amongst Gosneys and Daniels.
Problem is none of these kids of Holdridge are in any 1910 census that I can find. John M (or W-Wesley) is not in 1900. Case that John W of KY and John Wesley who had kids in Arkansas is questionable but not impossible. If family knowledge is that there was "Uncle Rutherford" and "Uncle Benjamin" would make the case.
However, further research is showing that John Wesley was son of William who was born in Missouri, parents born in Misouri, and Lillie Houston. The parents of the Kentucky John Wesley seemed to have also been born in Kentucky. So, the above theory has been abandoned, though John Wesley Brown of Kentucky and his line were left in this file though they are not linked to anyone.
John married Carrie Elizabeth (Martha Holden?) Holdridge, (Choctaw or Cherokee) about 1901 in Campbell Co, Kentucky, or Texas. Carrie was born between 1869 and 1874 in Arkansas or Texas or Louisiana; died in 1928 in Little River Co, Arkansas. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]
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