Jehial Smith

Jehial married Mrs. Maria (..) Smith about 1820. Maria was born about 1797; died in 1871 in Van Buren Co, Iowa. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

From: John R.
To: lumoto@aol.com
Sent: Friday, June 03, 2011 9:19 AM
Subject: RE: Smith & Goble ancestors


Hi Sherry,


Thanks for writing with your concerns. Yes, I do not have a Josuah Smith and Hannah Bentley and believe they must be another Smith family. The links you sent me showing Josuah Smith and Hannah Bentley as the parents of Simeon Smith do not list a source. However, it appears the mistake came from the Indiana DAR Vol. I Roster of Revolutionary War Ancestors, which incorrectly copied the Smith family Bible and confused a father and son George Smith. There has been a lot of research on this family but I believe the way I have it is correct, that our Simeon Smith was the son of George Smith and Sarah Coleman, and that George Smith was the son of Josuah Smith and Hannah Denn.

There is a book from James Cash Coleman, published in 1909, that lists Simeon Smith as the son of George Smith:

James Cash Coleman, "William Coleman of Gloucester, Mass., and Gravesend, England, 1619-1906" (Goshen, New York: Press of The Independent Republican, 1906) p. 40 [George Smith named as spouse of unnamed daughter of Joseph Coleman. "A dau. who m. George Smith; she d. prior to 1791, leaving the following children: Levi, b. Sept. 1, 1773; Hannah, Nathan, Simeon, Mary and Joseph."].

If you look at the notes I have for George Smith you will read about the confusion about Joshua and Hannah Smith and their son George. It also has this:

The Smith Family bible clearly shows the Indiana DAR Vol. I Roster of Revolutionary Ancestors incorrect -- pg. 593 of it states:
SMITH, Joshua b. circa 1741 NY d. after 1792-93 NC m. 1762 Hannah d. after 1793. Service: Pvt Militia No 4477 Morgan District NC now Johnson and Sullivan Co Ten.. Children: Abner m. Mary b. 1785 d. 1850 Johnson Co Tenn; Hannah b 24 Dec 1763; George b. 10 Sept 1766; Nathan b. 27 June 1767; Joshua b 10 May 1769; Levi b. 1 Sept 1772; Simeon b. 10 May 1773 m. 22 Sept 1794 Hester Helms; Mary b 6 May 1776 m. a DeHaven; Joseph b. 12 March 1779; Sevier b. 26 Sept 1783; Sarah b 1 Oct 1788; Bezaleel b. 26 Dec 1790; Paul b 2 March 1793. Descendant: Clark, Ina Mae (Mrs. Lionel) No. 551357 ----- our ancestor GEORGE is the FATHER to these children -- Hannah & Joshua are the grandparents!!!!!! What a mess!

And there is this:


In an Email from Karen Zuck on 24 Oct 2008 she wrote that discovering George Smith's parents was quite a feat. "In the Vigo County Public Library I saw when I first started an old bible and I copied down (they wouldn't let me xerox) the information. Was first starting and it was VERY hard to read. I wrote that George was the father but it was VERY confusing as to whether Joshua was (it read very much like that) or George was. The librarian told me the DAR had copied it. They had that George was the father. The genealogy group copied it before they burned it (yes, they did -- along with several others a few years later) and they had George as the father. Well, then I was perplexed. I researched for all three, Simeon, George and Joseph for YEARS - then found the will that had her children (which matched the bible very closely).

"Here are my "notes" from George if it helps. Many didn't know he'd been married before. This kind of all started as MANY in Parke County are in DAR via Simeon's brother George Smith NOT the father, but I found the father was also in the war (see below). It took a lot of doing on one of my cousin's part but the two George's are NOW separated and who belongs to whom is a-okay now. WHEW
Smith Family Bible - filmed by DAR Esterbrook Chapter, Rockville Public Library
George Smith s/o Joshua & Hannah
George Smith b. 10 Sept 1766 (this Geo & Hannah are children, not George, the s/o of Hannah)
Hannah Smith b. 24 Dec 1765
Nathan Smith b. 27 June 1767
Joshua Smith 10 May 1769
Levi Smith b. 1 Sept 1772
SIMEON SMITH ( OURS) b. 10 May 1773
Mary Smith b. 6 May 1776
Joseph Smith b. 12 March 1779 (believe that this is all the children with Sarah Coleman and that she probably died in childbirth with this Joseph) -- he marr. Mary "Mollie" Tyler March 1781 and he died according to her pension papers March 1803 when his youngest child was but 10)

"Abner Smith b. 8 Feb 1782
Sevier Smith b. 26 Sept 1783
George Smith b. 24 July 1785
Sarah Smith b. 1 Oct 1788
Bezaleel Smith b. 26 Dec 1790
Paul Smith b. 2 March 1793"

Hope this helps answer your concerns. The Smith family Bible has the correct lineage and the Indiana DAR incorrectly listed the children of George Smith as the children of Joshua and Hannah, the grandparents.

John


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From: lumoto@aol.com
To: acalrunner@hotmail.com
Subject: Re: Smith & Goble ancestors
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2011 00:00:13 -0500


Hey, John.
Well, I just started looking at this, and already have a question.
I did not have George Smith and Sarah Coleman; so I created a second set of parents for Simeon.

I looked in your file for Joshua Smith and Hannah Bentley, and did not find them. I'm assuming the other researcher wasn't that far off that she tapped into a completely different Smith family; so do you have any idea how Joshua fits in?

Well, hold on -- I went back to rootsweb to find the tree I had used before. I think this is it - it's the same person, McKim:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:2085324&id=I103354027

You also might want to look at the search results, because there are 24 trees there and they all have his parents as Joshua and Hannah Bentley - none have George Smith and Sarah Coleman.
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?surname=smith&given=simeon&stype=Soundex&byear=1773&start=21

Could maybe your source be off?

For now I have Simeon with two sets of parents. It looks like your file comes forward in time and there is no other mention other than in Generation 1, saying he is son of.... but like I said, I just got started.

Thanks!
Sherry



Died:
SIMEON SMITH was born in New York, probably in Goshen, Orange County, on May 10, 1773, the son of GEORGE SMITH (1744-1803) and his wife SARAH COLEMAN (c1745-1779). Simeon was in Seneca, Ontario County, New York in the 1800 and 1810 U.S. census. By 1818 Simeon and his family had moved to Sullivan County, Indiana and were there for the 1820 U.S. census. He was in Rockville, Parke, Indiana by 1830 and resided there the remainder of his life. Simeon Smith died on February 26, 1851 in Rockville, Parke County, Indiana.

Simeon married HESTER HELMS on September 22, 1794 in Cayuga County, New York, daughter of JACOB HELM (1737-1845) and HELENA VAN ETTEN (1738-____). Hester was born on February 22, 1778 and baptized on June 23, 1778 in the Minisink-Machackemec Church in Deerpark, Orange County, New York. She died on March 13, 1832 in Rockville, Parke County, Indiana. She is buried in the Rockville Cemetery.

According to their family Bible (found in the Terre Haute, Indiana library) their children were: Jehial b Jun 10, 1797; George C b. March 3, 1800; Mary b. Feb 4, 1803; Eliza b. Sept 17, 1805; Permelia b. June 5, 1807; Simeon Jr b. April 14, 1811; Levi b. April 6, 1813; Reuben D b. Aug 1, 1815; Joseph C. b. Aug 1, 1818 and Margaret Ann b. March 15, 1825.

findagrave

Simeon married Hester Helms on 12 Sep 1794 in Cayuga, New York. Hester (daughter of Jacob Helms and Helena Van Etten) was born on 23 Feb 1775 in Orange (Cayuga Co) Co, New York; was christened on 23 Jun 1778 in Minisink-Machachemec Reformed Dutch Church, Deerpark, Orange Co, New York; died on 12 Mar 1832 in Rockville, Parke Co, Indiana; was buried in Rockville Cem, Rockville, Parke Co, Indiana. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Notes:

HESTER HELMS was born on February 22, 1778 and baptized on June 23, 1778 in the Minisink-Machachemec Reformed Dutch Church in Deerpark, Orange County, New York, the daughter of JACOB HELMS (1737-1845) and his wife HELENA VAN ETTEN (1738-aft 1785).

Hester married SIMEON SMITH on September 22, 1794 in Cayuga County, New York, the son of GEORGE SMITH (1744-1803) and his wife SARAH COLEMAN (c1745-1779). Simeon was born on May 10, 1773 in New York, probably in Orange County, and died on February 26, 1851 in Rockville, Parke County, Indiana. He is buried in the Rockville cemetery.

Children of HESTER HELMS and SIMEON SMITH are:

i. JEHIAL SMITH, b. January 10, 1797, New York; d. 1883, Farmington, Van Buren County, Iowa.

ii. SARAH SMITH, b. February 23, 1799; d. Bef. 1810, Ontario County, New York.

iii. GEORGE COLEMAN SMITH, b. March 5, 1800, Ontario County, New York; d. Aft. June 4, 1880, Adair County, Missouri; m. SARAH "SALLY" GOBLE, 1823, Sullivan County, Indiana; b. April 30, 1802, Cayuga County, New York; d. Aft. June 4, 1880, probably Adair County, Missouri.

iv. LEAH MARY SMITH, b. February 4, 1803, of Ontario County, New York.

v. ELIZA SMITH, b. February 17, 1805, of Ontario County, New York.

vi. PERMELIA SMITH, b. June 5, 1807, of Ontario County, New York.

vii. SIMEON SMITH, b. April 17, 1811, of Ontario County, New York; d. January 26, 1899, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; m. MARY POLLY RINKER, December 27, 1832, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; b. Abt. 1812, Indiana; d. May 13, 1892, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana.

viii. LEVI SMITH, b. April 6, 1813, of Ontario County, New York; d. 1864.

ix. REUBEN D. SMITH, b. August 1, 1815, of Ontario County, New York; d. July 31, 1898, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; m. ELIZABETH PAINTER, April 20, 1854, Parke County, Indiana; b. Abt. 1815, Kentucky.

x. JOSEPH COLEMAN SMITH, b. July 13, 1818, Carlisle, Sullivan County, Indiana; d. November 11, 1906, Rockville, Parke County, Indiana; m. SUSAN MELIK EGBERT, November 2, 1850, Indiana; b. Abt. 1825, New York.

xi. MARGARET ANN SMITH, b. March 15, 1825, of Parke County, Indiana; m. JOHN L. BEAUCHAMP, March 24, 1853, Parke County, Indiana.
(findagrave)

Other Events and Attributes:

• Research Notes: 30 Oct 2014

Notes:

Research Notes:
Joseph Smith and Hannah Bentley of Connecticut had been attached as possible parents to Simeon Smith. However, research is showing that is not the case, that Simeon is, indeed, son of George and Sarah Coleman and is proven out by Sarah Coleman's father's will that mentions Simeon. Thanks to Lenore Hailstone lenhai@charter.net who contacted me with this proof, as well as provided me the names of the preceding generations.
I have deleted the Joseph Smith/Hannah Bentley family but leaving this note in case researchers still have that information.

George married Sarah Coleman in 1764 in Goshen, Orange Co, New York. Sarah (daughter of Joseph Coleman and Mary Salmon) was born in 1743 in Ulster, Ulster Co, New York; died in 1793 in Ulster, Ulster Co, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Jacob married Helena Van Etten about 1775. Helena (daughter of Jan Van Etten and Maritji Westfall) was born in 1738; died after 1785 in of, Orange Co, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Joshua married Hannah (..) Smith. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Will: 25 Feb 1791, Goshen Town, Orange Co, New York; written
• Will: 25 Nov 1800, Coshen City, Orange Co, New York; probated

Notes:

Will:
Will Orange Co NY Goshen Town -- I Joseph Coleman of the town of Goshen in the Co. of Orange and state of NY being of sound mind & memory do make and publish this my last will and testament in manner following, towit:
First -- I will that all my just debts be paid out of my moveable estate by executors herein after named together with my funeral charges.
Also: I give & devise unto my son Nathan Coleman the farm of land and presmises whereon I now dwell with all and singular the appurtenances thereunto belonging and appertaining to hold the same to him, his heirs and assigns foever subject to the payments of the legacies herein after bequeathed.
Also: I give to "daughters Martha and Ruth Coleman each one bed and bedding and the bed I commonly sleep on myself and bedding thereto belonging to be equally divided between them or to the survivor of them And it is also my wish that they shall hereafter make from the date of this my will by their industry and labor and that each of my said daughters, Martha and Ruth shall have the privilege of living in one of the rooms of the house I now dwell in with firewood to be delivered at the door by said son Nathan Coleman during the time that they and each of them shall remain unmarr.
Also: I give and bequeath unto my daughters Martha and Ruth 37 pounds 10 shillings to each of them and to my dau. Elizabeth the wife of Barnabas Horton the sum of 37 pounds 10 shillings and to my dau. Joanna the wife of Elihu horton the sum of 37 pounds 10 shillings.
And I do hereby order and it is my will that my said son Nathan Coleman shall pay the said sums of money to my said daughters last mentioned and hereby make the lands and premises I have heretofore in this my will given to my said son Nathan chargeable with and for the payment thereof. All the remainder of my personal estate I give and bequeath in the following manner towit: One equal seventh part thereof to my daughter, Mary the wife of William Coleman.
one other equal seventh part thereof to my grandchildren: Hannah Smith, Nathan Smith, Levi Smith, SIMEON SMITH, Mary Smith and Joseph Smith equally between them.
one other equal seventh part thereof to my daughter Hannah the wife of Henry Elsworth - one other equal seventh part thereof to my daughter Martha one other equal part thereof to my daughter Ruth - one other equal seventh part thereof to my dau. Eliz. Horton and if either of my said daughters last mentioned should die without issue I will that her or their share or shares so dieing be equally divided between surviving sisters and lastly I do hereby nominate and appoint my said son Nathan Coleman and my friend, David Case Exec. of this my last will and testament hereby revoking all former & other wills by me made. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my hand and seal the 25th day of Feb in the year of our Lord one thous. seven hundred and 91 - signed sealed published and declared by the said Joseph Coleman to be his last will & testament in the presence of us who have hereunto subscribed our names as witnesses in the presence of the testator and of each other: Elliot Hopkins, Barbabas Horton; Reuben Hopkins SIGNED Joseph Coleman

codicil:
I, Joseph Coleman, above named Do make and publish this codicil to my last will & testament in manner following towit: wherefore my son Nathan Coleman hath departed this life since the day of my foregoing will and testament I do therefore give & devise the lands tenements & (house ) where I now dwell& shall die seized of to the children and heirs of my said son Nathan Coleman to them their heirs and assigns in fee simple. And whereas the widow of my said son Nathan Coleman is now pregnant with child which child when born and continuing to live shall be included in the devise in this my codicil and if other or any of the children of my said son Nathan shall die without lawful issue the share or shares of such so dieing shall be equally divided between the surviving and I do further will devise and order that my daughter-in-law the widow of my said son Nathan shall have the use and improvements of one third part of my real estate above devised during the time she shall remain the widow of my said son Nathan and no longer and lastly I do hereby nominate & appoint my neighbour James Carpenter with David Case exec. to my last will & testament annexed to the same -- witness my hand and seal and declared & published as and for my last will & testament the third day of Feb 1800 signed sealed published & declared to be a codicil to the last will & testament of the said Joseph Coleman in presence of us -- the word Nathan & The interlined in the codicil before signing & sealing -- Ishial Ross Horace Swezy Reuben Hopkins siigned Joseph Coleman


http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.orange/4251/mb.ashx?pnt=1

Will:
Orange Co ss: be in remembered that on the 25th day of Nov in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred at Goshen in the Co. of Orange personally appeared before me James Everett Surrogate of the said Co. of Orange Reuben Hopkins Esq and being duly sworn upon his oath saith that he did see Joseph Coleman deceased sign and seal the written instrument then shewn unto him of which the preceding is a true copy purporting to the last will and testament of the said Joseph Coleman dec. bearing date the 25th day of Feb 1791 and heard him publish and declare the same as and for his last will and testament and the said Ruben Hopkins upon this other further saith that he did see the said Joseph Coleman dec. also sign and seal the written instrument then also shewn unto him of which the preceding is also a true copy purporting to be a codicil to the last will and testament of the said Joseph Coleman deceased bearing date the 3rd of Feb last and heard him publish and declare the same to be a codicil to his last will & testament, that at the respective times thereof he the said Joseph Coleman was of sound disposing mind and memory to the best of the knowledge and belief of him the deponent an that he togther with Elliott Hopkins and Barnabas Horton to the said will and Ishiel Ross and Horace Swezy to the said codicil subscribed their names as witness in the testators presence in the presence of each other. The preceding is a true copy of the original will and the codicil thereunto annexed of Joseph Coleman dec. of the certificate of the proof thereof and of the letters testamentary thereon.
Probated 25 nov 1800.

http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.newyork.counties.orange/4251/mb.ashx?pnt=1

Joseph married Mary Salmon about 1738 in Goshen, Orange Co, New York. Mary was born about 1720; died before 1800 in Orange Co, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Other Events and Attributes:

• Research Notes: 13 Jan 2015

Notes:

From the Rootsweb tree of Vernon Dollhopf,

http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=vernondollhopf&id=I48782
source given as Sandy Kiester (snadykiester21@yahoo.com) contacted by Vernon Dollhopf
"From Terry Gaskell:
Served in the Foot Co. at Rochester, NY in 1738. Michael was Nationlized in September of 1715 in Kingston, NY.
He was Killed by Indians near the Old Fort of Wurtsboro, Sullivan County. He was returning from a visit to his daughters home in Minisink. A historial marker was place on the spot, On Route 209.
Route 209 runs from Wurtsboro to Kingston, NY and is west of Poughkeepsie."

Michael^ married Johanna^ Louw, (immigrant?) on 28 Jun 1728 in Old Dutch Church, Kingston, Ulster Co, New York. Johanna^ was born on 18 Sep 1709 in Palaenate, Rheinland, Germany or Kingston, New York; died in 1770 in Wurtsboro, New York. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

Jan married Maritji Westfall about 1740. Maritji was born in 1720; died in 1750. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]