John W. Madden

Other Events and Attributes:

• Property: 1 Aug 1805, waters of ENO, Orange Co, North Carolina
• Property: 25 Jan 1808, waters of ENO, Orange Co, North Carolina

Notes:

http://www.haygenealogy.com/hay/presidents/Maiden-Polk.html

Madden Research
Monday, October 12, 2009 8:58 AM
From: "George Madden"
To: "Donna Hay"
Donna,
Thank you very much for including me on your distribution of research findings.
First let me say that I am very impressed with the depth of work you have done and what you have found. Second, I have to admit that my head is swimming from the complexity of data points we have among Anson, Iredell and Orange Counties, with the same given names showing up over and over among the Maddens. I am down to trying to sort out things like which Stephen or John signed his name with an "X" and which one could write. It sure would be easier for us if the family had been more creative with given names.
My work has mainly centered on Orange Co., along with a futile search to try to tie back to Samuel M's birth in Mecklenburg Co. in 1796. Some of the things I have found that may be of interest (please forgive me if I have given you some of this before): The earliest Madden (various spellings) I have found in Orange Co. is who I call "Old" John. He appears in 1755 as a member of a survey crew surveying the grant of 292 ac to James Bowie. John then purchased that tract from Bowie in 1759. In 1769 he, "being of advanced age" conveyed 95 ac of his land (on north crossing of Pine Mtn. Creek) to his son-in-law Wharton Whalley. John signed with an "X". I assume, but do not know, that the remaining 197 ac eventually conveyed to a son or sons and have been trying to match up land records that might be that property.
"Old" John's wife was possibly Elenor, as John and Elenor Maden were listed a debtors/borrowers from John McGee in 1773, Orange Co. However, this is more likely an unknown younger John, possibly "Old" John's son. By 1773 "Old" John would have been of very advanced age or dead, and unlikely to be a borrower (he would have still had a 197 ac of land and a daughter and son-in-law living next to him). As an aside, considerable property of John McGee was burned by the Regulators in response to what were considered unfair debts/interest rates and shady land transactions.
I have noted a fair number of Madden land transactions in the late 1700's but have not indentified anything that is highly useful because the loss of the 1790 census for Orange Co. has made it impossible for me to get help in sorting them out.
I have a plat map of early Orange Co. land grants but cannot be sure exactly where "Old" John's land was and who the grantees surrounding him were. James Bowie had at least four scattered tracts, one of which is adjacent to the Morgans (a frequent Madden family given name, and said to be "TN." John W's son Samuel M's middle name, but that comes oral from current family). I need to try to pin down the location, note the neighboring grantees and try to trace their land transactions to see if anything interesting shows up. One tract is adjacent to a Michael Whatley (son-in-law Whalley?).
As you know, I have determined that Samuel M's mother is lost and his birth in Mecklenburg Co. in 1796 is problematic. I have been trying to find if there is perhaps a tie to the Morgan family.
In 1783 Stephen Madden (who could sign his name) bought 500 ac on the Eno River. In 1805 a Stephen Madden sold 170 ac on "the waters of the Eno" to John Madden (of Orange Co.), who almost certainly is my John W. This land abutted Joseph Allison Sr's land. Joseph was the grandfather of John W's son Samuel M's wife Jane Allison. This land seems to be the last John W had before he moved on to Humphries Co, TN somewhere between 1810-15.
Prior to that in late 1799 John W bought 100 ac on the waters of Back Creek. This is the first reference I have to John W becoming a land owner in Orange Co. He sold 82 ac of that land to Ezekiel Currie in 1806, apparently since he had now bought the 170 ac from Stephen (above) and moved his family there. If he had been away from Orange Co for a while (son Samuel born Mecklenburg Co. in 1796) this would seem to be when he came back to Orange.
In 1801 John W married Jeanie Guthrie. His bondsmen were Henry H. Collum and Alexander Madden (signed with "X") who may have been John W's father, brother, uncle, cousin - who knows. Jeanie's father James died and left 1/3 each of his property to wife Elizabeth, and sons-in-law John W Madden and Alexander McMinnamy. In 1810 the three of them sold 300 ac (on the S. Hico) to Richard Hinslee. This money may have been what financed John and Jeanies' move to TN.
Another extraneous tidbit found at the Orange Co courthouse. Stephen Maddan (signed with "X"), late of Orange Co, took out a loan from Robert Stewart, pledging his land in Orange Co. So this Stephen had moved elsewhere (Rowan/Iredell, out of state??). The land was 250 ac bordering the Eno River, and had been purchased from George Thedford.
Sorry I don't have anything of more interest, but you never know when something might tie together.
My thought at this point (complete supposition) is that "Old" John came down from Lancaster Co, PA (there were close family ties to the Allison's who definitely were from Lancaster Co). He probably had sons John, Stephen, Alexander and possibly Samuel. All of these sons named their sons John, Stephen, Samuel, etc. It is possible that my John W's father was Alexander (marriage bond) and he named Samuel M after his uncle, brother or cousin. Who knows? - I may never be able to sort them out.
I will continue to study the information on your site to see if I can find any connections. And, I will let you know if I find anything new. Although I have let my work lapse of late you have inspired me, and I like your suggestion regards using the National Archives. There is a Regional branch of the Archives in Fort Worth, TX, a three hour drive from here.
Regards, George Madden


Property:
Deed Book 14, page 679, 1 August 1805 Stephen MADDEN to John MADDEN, both of Orange, 200 pounds, 170 acres on waters of ENO. /s/ Stephen MADDEN, Witness: John RAY & Andrew MADDEN. Proved August Term 1814 by Andrew MADDEN.

Property:
Deed Book 14, page 656, 25 January 1808 Joseph ALLISON Sr. to Joseph ALLISON Jr. 150 acres on headwaters of ENO along John MADDEN's line. Proved May Term 1814.

John married Jeany Guthrie on 10 Dec 1801 in Orange Co, North Carolina. Jeany was born about 1782 in Orange Co, North Carolina; died about 1860 in Humphreys Co, Tennessee. [Group Sheet] [Family Chart]

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Married:
MARRIAGE RECORDS: Orange County, North Carolina
John MADDEN to Jeany GUTHERIE 10 Dec 1801, Alexander MADDEN & Henry McCOLLUM, bondsmen

1. Samuel M. Madden was born on 7 Jan 1796 in Mecklinburg, North Carolina; died on 19 May 1871 in Benton Co, Tennessee.

Notes:

http://www.haygenealogy.com/hay/presidents/Maiden-Polk.html
this Andrew?

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Children of Andrew Madden
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~popfraley/pafg726.htm#21243